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welcome back everybody to another video

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I'm your host Vinnie Adams and joining

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me today for the first time is my

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co-host so please welcome

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Katie Howland Katie how are you

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amazing it's so good to finally be in

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The Coho seat I'm so happy to be here

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and so grateful for the invite it's

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gonna be fun it is it's already we've

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already got many plans underway and I

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think in the coming months it's uh it's

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gonna be a nice pleasant change around

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here and we're really going to step it

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up so I can't wait and I'm just so glad

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that we are starting off right now so

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thank you oh let's do it

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excellent just for anybody watching this

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is a pre-recorded interview uh so

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any questions you put in the chat will

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not be answered thank you anyway but

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let's not waste any more time

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um please welcome our guest Mr

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Christopher Sharp

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oh I'm doing well thank you it's an

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honor to be on with you guys especially

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for Katie's first show I'm so excited

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I've admired you ever since you've kind

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of like come to prominence in the

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community and uh yeah this is just a

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true honor to be here but your show you

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know a respect you both so much so thank

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you for having me on

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oh thank you

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I'll make sure to slip you a 10 after

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well Chris listen you become quite the

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regular here now and you've been really

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breaking some amazing Stories so I

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thought it was just only natural to get

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you on to talk about Jay Stratton coming

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out of the Shadows

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um because the more we sort of learn

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about this guy it it not only shows that

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he was an important role and an

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important figure in the subject but it

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also helps other people such as Lu

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Elizondo solidify what they've been

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saying and the positions they held and

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things like that and so it'd be great if

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we can just discuss all of that

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um I think one thing is as well is since

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you were last on the channel I think

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you've released three articles pretty

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much based around the work of George

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Knapp and Jeremy Corbell so are you able

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to tell us about have you got like a

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working relationship with them now

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that's correct yes so

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um Jeremy George and I work very very

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close together

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um on these stories to make sure they

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they come out properly

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and that there's no BS attached that

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nothing's embellished we just report the

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story straight

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uh so so that's that's what we aim to do

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um you know you've got the weaponized

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podcast which is the long form and then

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what I do is I kind of come along and I

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get a story from that take away all the

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key Parts if I can I try to get a little

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bit more information on them to find

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other angles and say that we need to

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focus a bit more on on this you can get

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more information and um we have a

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fantastic working relationship

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um and I've got so much respect for both

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you know Jeremy and George and I mean

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kind of like seeing how the inner

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workings of how they work on a story you

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get so much respect for how careful they

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are how how careful they are and they're

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obsessive about the truth as well

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they're obsessive about the truth

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um making sure they're getting

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everything accurate the small details

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are really really count the context

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counts and I think most of all I can

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really respect as well that they protect

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they protect these people who are coming

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forward so they're very very protective

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of their because you know that the likes

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of you know Jay and John Gutierrez kind

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of coming out for the first time in

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public but that's a that's a really

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really big deal especially for them

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um and you know what the UFO means you

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can be like as well so

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um no it's it's a great relationship

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that we have and um I'm hopeful that we

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can break some more fantastic material

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well it's great that you can take you

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know all of the good nuggets that are

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coming out from weaponized and perhaps

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give it to a new audience you know

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that's one of the benefits of having

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those close relationships especially

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um so really happy that you're doing

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that and amplifies with the great

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content that's coming out

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thank you yeah no and and the thing is

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what about an article is you know people

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uh people can print it out you can send

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it on to each other and stuff like that

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that they can do that and um one would

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um I think you know these things that

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causing huge waves and all credit for

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them you know this is this is what

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happens if you're trusted

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and the as Jeremy says the best way to

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be entrusted is to be trustworthy and

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you know the fact that they're getting

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all these exclusives they can break just

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how much Integrity they they both have

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um so yeah I'm really enjoying the

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moment I'm learning so much from them as

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well so it's been a great experience

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yeah that's amazing excuse me

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I do have a little bit of a cough and a

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cold so I may have to mute myself going

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um throw me off I can edit this out oh I

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um so yeah what I would obviously I

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brought you on and asked you to come on

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because I wanted to speak about Jay

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Stratton um so we'll jump onto that one

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um but we'll go back we'll play it in

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I guess my question is not just you

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Chris but Katie as well is what did you

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guys know about Jay Stratton before he

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I mean I knew very little only what what

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that he had been involved in a number of

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the programs but it was great to see him

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finally come forward for the first time

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you know I think we all knew alien Colin

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is coming up uh regardless of I know

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more sober serious environment

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interesting I was most interested by the

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timing why now so Chris I'd love to hear

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what you thought too

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it got passed into law in terms of that

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he knows how they fly I mean it's not

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just knowing like oh that's you know a

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MIG 21 or whatever it's like oh there

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are Russians flying that and this is how

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we know there are Russians 5x because we

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know how they fly so it's that intrinsic

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detail which is so important and

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um yeah and also absolutely specialist

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um when they were talking about visiting

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um being able to peek in and hear about

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all of the people on staff who were you

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know very very knowledgeable about

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reverse engineering that made me think

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that they you know may not be working on

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those programs now but maybe they're

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pre-positioning for some bids in the

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future and I'm really curious you know

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swipe up talent in anticipation of more

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contracts coming through

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know this is something I know from

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knowledge or anything it's just

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basically like we discussed last time

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wasn't it that look China can be working

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on a reverse engineering program have

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hundreds if not thousands of people

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working on it be able to keep their

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mouths shut because it's not fairly

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terrain regime you've literally got like

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compartmentalized with like you know two

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people working on a program and they're

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not allowed to call anyone for expertise

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advice they get stuck then that's a huge

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that you would be able to kind of really

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open this up to all the emerging

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um you know companies out there with

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best talent um so yeah that that would

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be one hope of mine and uh yeah one

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could hope for like an Apollo moment

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where a new era of technology is

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discovered for the next decade if we

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open this stuff up which could make all

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of our Lives Infinity in infinite better

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basically than it is at the moment in

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terms of life expectancy the energy

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crisis and hopefully we can we can kind

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of like step forward as one Humanity

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especially with the United Nations

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project at the moment in terms of

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project title which is huge as well so

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uh yeah one would hope that um this is a

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really good step into the right

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yeah absolutely no I appreciate both

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your comments there what I'd like to do

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now if that's okay is um like we

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mentioned earlier You released this

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article in The Liberation times with the

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the highlights let's say of the Jay

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Stratton story so if we bring it up I'd

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just like touch upon a few points we can

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kind of go through it and uh

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feel free either of you to just if you

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see anything or we think of a point that

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you want to talk about just just go for

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there he is

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there's the man of the hour

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don't tell me if you spot any typos by

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the way I don't want to know

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I'm not I'm not the police don't worry

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yeah no I think what was good as well is

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a lot of the you know he he came out in

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this uh on this podcast and they were

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switching between his interview and then

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back to Jeremy and George talking and

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then back to Jay so we didn't get like a

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full

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length let's say interview with him we

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got some sort of pointers but I think

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some of the

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statements that he made were quite

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interesting and you know they weren't

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like directly saying something but I

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think you can interpret them in certain

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ways which maybe some people might say

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sometimes can be a bad thing but you

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know we can still wait and see what else

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he comes with further down the line but

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I did like this one here where it says

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uh I kept an open mind a skeptic mind

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whatever you want to call it looking for

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something that can answer this in all

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the means that I had to chase that but

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there were definitely some times where

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we really couldn't close the loop and we

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realized that something needed to be

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done about it I find that quite

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I don't know don't know what the word is

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but what do you guys think

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I mean I I was shocked when I when I

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read

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forward thing to say for a man of that

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experience

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uh you know I think we should pull up

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his LinkedIn later and we'll show all

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the various titles he's held

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he knows what he's talking about so for

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someone of that caliber you know he's

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senior executive service

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um

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it's a little controversial to say he's

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equivalent to a two star but that's the

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easiest way to describe it just don't

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say that to someone actually with two

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stars

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um and so this really stood out to me

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and I think that should stand out to

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anyone not just in the UFO Community but

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in the defense Community as well what do

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you think Chris

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yeah I think it's going to burst some

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balloons let's say

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yeah yeah I I think you know like um you

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have to go back to the uaptf report

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because a lot of that came from a

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presentation that um Stratton had

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prepared so you look at some of the

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things

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um on that like I mentioned last time

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signature management

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um you know so so that could be low

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visibility instantaneous acceleration

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um as well as reported um radar jamming

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stuff like that so yeah that that was

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something really really big in that

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uapgf report and if you've got someone

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like Stratton who can't

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kind of close that Loop that's a really

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big deal because you know this is

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someone who

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who knows the foreign weapon systems he

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knows how the Russians he knows how the

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training is so he's very very well aware

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of what this stuff is and I'd also

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mention as well in terms of the first

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quotation that's really really key

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because you know like you said Katie

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looking at his um record this is a very

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senior person the equivalent although he

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does like to downplay it but the

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equivalent like a two-star general uh no

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Admiral sorry and um you know basically

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saying we're already 70 years behind the

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power for trust right because everybody

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says the government's lying to us and

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the whole Blue Book thing and the whole

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Roswell being killed trust I mean he's

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not directly saying they're lying to us

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but um I mean you can read between the

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lines there and take away from it and um

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I mean this is coming from a really

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really serious person so um I think this

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might this might be a clue of things to

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come as

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this stuff starts to unravel and things

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get made public

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um in terms of what's happening in

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Congress right now yeah I also really

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appreciated the the skeptic mention it

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reminded me of Mitch Horowitz who to

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always talks about the need to have a

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better contrast of Skeptics and how we

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need to welcome Skeptics who are doing

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it in good faith and so that made me

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really happy to see that and I hope that

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opens up more conversations in that way

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maybe absolutely absolutely yeah

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completely agree I think what was

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interesting as well obviously you know

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he worked with allsup atip and the uaptf

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and that says volumes to me if he's

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continuously moving and changing roles

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but continually going back to the UFO

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subject why would you do that if there

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was nothing to it or why would you want

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to come out and talk about it now if

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you've been through the ringer for over

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a decade and it's like I don't want to

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talk about something that there's

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nothing to it you know that I mean

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that's just me interpreting it and again

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I'd happily be wrong if I'm interpreting

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it incorrectly but that just spoke to me

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if you know what I mean

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yeah yeah absolutely you know he's like

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the only guy who's been involved with

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all the modern day yeah so programs

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um so that that's a really big thing and

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you know like like he was saying you

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know he was after being involved with

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all staff native he was ready like to

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walk away from it he wasn't expecting

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anything else to do with the topic again

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and that was until Lou came out and the

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New York Times article came out and then

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exactly you know and I the Office of

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Naval intelligence and his boss was like

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look Congress you know Congress started

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taking interest and senior people

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started taking interest in this so he

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was the perfect place in the perfect

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place the perfect time really so it

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seemed very very it was like Serendipity

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involved you're doing this it felt like

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it was meant to be

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speaking of meant to be Chris I I do

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want to ask you whether you have Insight

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or speculation as to the timing though

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because you're right he's worked in

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these roles for

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over a decade now you know and it's not

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exactly a thankless thing to come into

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the spotlight and so I'm really curious

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if you have any ideas or

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uh suspect why why now yeah yeah

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absolutely yeah there's a good reason

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why now because I mean

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by appearing publicly

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he is embossing others to come forward

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other serious people to come forward so

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that is a really really big deal and I

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think people

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I would speculate that people were

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starting to come forward they're all

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considering to come forward now that

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Jay's come forward I think oh gosh this

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is a really big moment okay that if

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Jay's come forward I'm I'm going to come

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forward as well so I I think this is a

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really big signal

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um of intent for the topic in general

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from him going out it's a really really

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big significant

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symbolic moment let's say

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um so yeah I I I you've picked a really

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really good point there in Jam

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I like to think that

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we're having behind the scenes you know

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I'm always hearing things and I think

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that things are going very very well

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right now behind the scenes especially

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in Washington

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um I like to think that we've almost got

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there in terms of winning the war let's

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say and then you know we've got further

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reinforcements coming now with um Jay

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Stratton like you said Vinnie earlier

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you know Lou's been out there for a long

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time so it's Chris and now you've got

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Jay coming to um to join the party as

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well and I think that that yeah and I

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and I'm hoping that further people can

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forward as well

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yeah absolutely and I mentioned a minute

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ago about how it shines Lewin in a good

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light as well because all the things

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that he'd been saying are almost being

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validated again but what what also

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shines Lou in a good light is the fact

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that you've got Stratton with an

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exceptional career history

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coming into atip but only being second

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place or second man to Lou so that shows

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how highly respected and trustworthy Lou

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was to people within the Pentagon and

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and that you know so it's only doing

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good things

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um and you mentioned Jay coming forward

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he's gonna you know help other people

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come forward and again seeing someone of

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that High Caliber will you know

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hopefully show people

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that if he can do it at that level then

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I'm going to do it and things like that

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and we mentioned earlier and I'll stop

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waffling in a second that we were going

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to show the LinkedIn so I've got that

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ready because it is incredible and you

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can see some Aerospace jobs there at the

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bottom but I wanted to start up was the

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the DIA role which he was in I mean

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it's just it's just impressive I mean do

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you want to talk talk us through that a

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little bit Katie and I'll move up when

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you've gone past it because you probably

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have had more experience or knowledge

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when it comes to departments and

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agencies

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yeah I mean I think what's really

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interesting what first stood out to me

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is that he is the person that brought

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the Skinwalker Ranch book to Iraq which

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kind of started if you're familiar with

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how awesome came to be and people came

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to advocate for it it was basically that

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they were all sitting in the green zone

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passing this book around the one pool

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that everyone gathered at so it was

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pretty cool to find out that that was

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kind of the Genesis of a lot of these

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programs it came from Jay pulling out a

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book in his backpack on deployment

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um but yeah it's interesting this season

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the defense intelligence agency

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um you know is very highly respected

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obviously is you can think of it as like

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the entire pentagon's intelligence

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Branch

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um but what's really interesting that I

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saw is like the um how he kind of would

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go in between

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Branch specific jobs you know like he

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was he said he was a reservist

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um I think in the Navy if I remember

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correctly

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um but then he would work for you know

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organizations that actually go up to the

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intelligence Branch the odni instead of

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actually to the services so it gave him

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a lot more Independence

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um to investigate things not directly

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within the line of command in the same

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way

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um so that's what really stood out to me

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here you also see obviously the

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Department of State that's not uncommon

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you'll see six months it was probably a

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rotation that he took while

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um being in the intelligence committee

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that's very or the intelligence

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Community that's very common in fact the

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arrow openings that we've seen are those

553
00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:14,340
types of joint temporary rotations

554
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,919
they're not permanent positions

555
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,679
so it looks like he was a part of you

556
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,720
know similar programs like that and got

557
00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:23,760
to go you know to Baghdad to the

558
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,100
Department of State so he really touched

559
00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:28,260
a lot of things

560
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:30,059
yeah absolutely

561
00:21:33,289 --> 00:21:31,740
and I see it here as we come up we've

562
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:33,299
got this flight Commander here seven

563
00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:34,620
month roll

564
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,020
Afghanistan Camp leatherneck again yeah

565
00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:39,000
but then he moves in here into Chief

566
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:40,919
space technology issues

567
00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:43,799
for under ilio Office of the Secretary

568
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:45,720
of Defense and see this it seems more of

569
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:47,460
a more permanent role

570
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:50,580
yeah yeah it looks like it

571
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:53,340
it's hard to tell for me it's hard I

572
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,740
very very briefly worked for DOD and so

573
00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:57,360
it's hard as a contractor so it's hard

574
00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:58,980
for me to tell sometimes whether some of

575
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:00,179
these are

576
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:03,240
um civilian roles or whatnot I think

577
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:05,400
possibly though the OSD role is probably

578
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:07,320
civilian rule yeah right yeah because

579
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:08,820
then you see the director of air Warfare

580
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:11,640
and spear which would have been civilian

581
00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:14,580
yeah so I mean there we go keep going up

582
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:16,200
we could consider and go through each

583
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:18,900
one I love you guys it's unbelievable

584
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,280
isn't it

585
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,500
yeah and when you get up to the top here

586
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:24,240
and you see senior level executive

587
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,080
that's um it doesn't sound crazy but

588
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,419
that's a very very rare and highly

589
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:33,600
respected level in this civil service so

590
00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:36,299
once you get past GS 15 which is like

591
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:39,900
the highest pay grade level you can have

592
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:41,940
um within that within that system you

593
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,100
become a senior executive service member

594
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:46,080
and that's where you get into some of

595
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,419
the the star equivalencies

596
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,280
um so that that is really what gives him

597
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:51,919
I think the

598
00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:54,659
authority to go across to a lot of folks

599
00:22:59,870 --> 00:22:58,200
in our agency in our department and get

600
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:59,880
the information he needs

601
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,020
yeah

602
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,640
I love it that you're here to lay this

603
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,260
out for us because I would have no idea

604
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,020
so I really appreciate it this much this

605
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:09,419
much I'm gonna have my Pentagon friends

606
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:11,460
messaging me going no no you got that

607
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,260
wrong

608
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:15,000
and then obviously we see at the top his

609
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,080
current position at Radiance

610
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:18,000
Technologies is a senior portfolio

611
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:19,980
advisor maritime

612
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:23,159
try again sorry series shouting at me so

613
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,600
yeah I thought that was just interesting

614
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:27,179
to bring up but uh let's jump back to

615
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:28,980
the to the article again if you see

616
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,799
anything that I'm scrolling past

617
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:33,360
um

618
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,659
please let me know

619
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:38,520
yeah that line there Jay Stratton was

620
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:40,140
seen as the best person to work on the

621
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:41,880
topic by Oni due to his previous

622
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:44,820
experiences with other UAP programs and

623
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:46,260
his background in identifying the

624
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,820
capabilities of other nations military

625
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,100
systems and validating potential threats

626
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,559
now when people putting forward for

627
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,480
these positions to bring him back into a

628
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,919
UAP program

629
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,080
is this offering him a job or is this

630
00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:00,179
telling him you're going to do this like

631
00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:02,220
what level of choice does he have and is

632
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:03,980
it you know

633
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,080
that's what I'm interested in

634
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,799
yeah I I mean in terms of that I think

635
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,900
just just from

636
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:14,940
interpreting it myself I think it was

637
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:17,400
just kind of like you'd be great for

638
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,900
this role Jim we know that you're

639
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,700
interested in it

640
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,679
um it's kind of like I think

641
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,080
they they may have anticipated that he

642
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:27,360
would be interested in a role

643
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:29,159
um and it would be something that he

644
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:31,020
would he would take so I think it was

645
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,820
just kind of like a judge a nudge in the

646
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:34,980
right direction basically saying you

647
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,080
know I think I think you know you're

648
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,080
needed for this and obviously with um

649
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:42,179
Congress to have a senior

650
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:42,960
um people within the government

651
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,460
breathing down their neck saying that we

652
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,620
want some answers after this 2017 story

653
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:48,179
comes out

654
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,980
um then yeah that does make sense and

655
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:52,500
then after that what happens is that you

656
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,799
have an entity which he starts

657
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,320
um which later becomes the UAP task

658
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:01,080
force I mean I think it it was the UAP

659
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:02,820
task force in name and then it got

660
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:05,640
formalized it went for esper I think it

661
00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:09,059
was s but wasn't it in 2020 he was the

662
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,200
um Deputy of um Secretary of Defense

663
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,360
when he basically formalizes the UAP

664
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,059
task force however if you look within

665
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,159
the intelligence authorization act which

666
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,440
I think was drafted in June or July you

667
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:24,779
know it references you know something

668
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:27,240
like you know the continued you know we

669
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:28,980
support the good work of the UAP task

670
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,860
force so it speculates that even before

671
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,080
you know that um that mandate was being

672
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:36,900
drafted asking for

673
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:39,179
um something to be drafted in terms of

674
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,919
report by the UAP task force that

675
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,720
something already did exist within the

676
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,299
Navy so um that that's quite important

677
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:47,700
as well because you know that starts in

678
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:50,820
2018 the report from the uaptf came out

679
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:54,240
in 2021 so this has been going for three

680
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:57,480
years already before the report came out

681
00:26:01,970 --> 00:26:00,360
yeah and Chris can you uh clarify for

682
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,980
people who might not be you know as

683
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:03,440
tuned into this

684
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:08,100
the drama or controversy surrounding uh

685
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:10,679
Stratton getting removed from the uaptf

686
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:13,559
right before uh the report was to be due

687
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:16,020
and what happened there

688
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:19,860
yeah I mean I don't really have too much

689
00:26:26,110 --> 00:26:22,500
information on that I mean I think

690
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:28,430
I think he seemed to play that down to

691
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:32,400
some extent however saying that I mean

692
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,620
I think others would speculate that say

693
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,240
that it was a bit more behind it and it

694
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:37,919
really did handicap them from the

695
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,380
beginning because all of a sudden

696
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,000
um you know this National Fence

697
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,700
authorization had to get signed after I

698
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,380
think Trump tried to veto it didn't he

699
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,000
and then he was overall by the Senate

700
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,700
and uh the house I'm like no it's going

701
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,580
through and so sudden New Year they find

702
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,559
themselves oh gosh we've got like six

703
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:58,080
months or so to draw this huge report

704
00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:00,059
which is you know which has got to be

705
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,380
sent to

706
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,320
um Congress and then all of a sudden

707
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:06,419
after that it's kind of like they lose

708
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:09,480
they lose the main guy the director in

709
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:12,539
charge and that that was a huge huge

710
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,760
blow to them and remember the other

711
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,440
people I think it was like two or three

712
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,419
other people that may have been at the

713
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,400
uoptf at the time they all had other

714
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:22,140
jobs they all had full-time jobs that

715
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,400
they were doing resources it was just

716
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,159
kind of like You know despite the

717
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,200
urgency of this as we've now discovered

718
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,200
with the Chinese operations and look

719
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,840
studying new AP also means finding other

720
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,240
platforms as well which are a vital

721
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,460
match Security address and just seems to

722
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,080
me bizarre that you know you would

723
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,240
dedicate full-time staff to this but

724
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,679
anyhow

725
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:45,600
um it was their commitment these other

726
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,020
guys took it on when after Stratton

727
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:52,080
um was moved these guys are heroes these

728
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,640
guys are working overtime working their

729
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,080
asses off

730
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,880
um because they believed in transparency

731
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:58,860
they believed in the cause

732
00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:01,320
and you know they wanted to make straps

733
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,580
and proud as well by saying that we've

734
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,840
got this over the line for you because

735
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:06,299
by all means like this guy just loved by

736
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,559
the people that he worked with and he

737
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,799
was so well respected and um hats up to

738
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,840
those guys and what they managed to do

739
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,520
is they managed to use a big

740
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,380
presentation that

741
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,779
um Stratton had created remember he was

742
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,520
saying that presentation was very very

743
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,679
important how you presented these to

744
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,960
senior officials and committees was very

745
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,580
very important

746
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:29,159
um so he'd he had created something very

747
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,779
very impressive in terms of what he was

748
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:33,779
showing and always key people in

749
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,059
Washington and it was that basis of this

750
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,340
kind of like presentation that he had

751
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:40,080
created that

752
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,799
um helped the task force you know get

753
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,900
this report to Congress sometime and

754
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:48,059
create something substantially better

755
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:51,779
than what we got last month yeah

756
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,340
absolutely

757
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,080
I think one thing as well is obviously

758
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,880
loved because you know he's here giving

759
00:29:02,570 --> 00:28:59,580
classified briefings to key audiences

760
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:02,580
now is that nice the Committees would

761
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,539
that be

762
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:06,539
yeah yeah yeah absolutely and it's

763
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,980
saying it's you know it's it's probably

764
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,900
the primary reason why arrow is created

765
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,820
which is great but that throws up the

766
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:13,760
question if this is at the time when

767
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,179
aimsog or aoi MSG was still happening

768
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,179
why go to someone outside of who's now

769
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,700
left the role and not use someone who's

770
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:25,260
currently in the role you know with

771
00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:27,539
aimsog well this is the thing about

772
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:29,179
ainslog so

773
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,039
there's some complexity around this and

774
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,720
you may want to correct me 80 in case

775
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:35,940
I'll get anything wrong here but um what

776
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,240
happened was UAP task force

777
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:41,279
um after the report came out it wasn't

778
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:42,899
all of a sudden

779
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:45,539
um taken apart it no longer exists what

780
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:50,039
happened was that the do the dod

781
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:51,059
um

782
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,840
and yodie and I created before

783
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,360
Thanksgiving aoimsg

784
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:59,340
to follow up on the memo that came from

785
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,260
Kathleen Hicks following the uaptf

786
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,419
report saying that something kind of

787
00:30:10,029 --> 00:30:06,120
more permanent was needed to tackle

788
00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:10,039
um Range Fowlers and things like that so

789
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:13,159
aoimsg was created

790
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:19,260
by DOD and odni it wasn't created as an

791
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:21,240
act of law it wasn't created as an act

792
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:22,620
of legislation

793
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,620
the legislation for the National Defense

794
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,539
authorization act just created an office

795
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,120
called the office and it was after that

796
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:31,980
that because I found it surprising that

797
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:34,440
I was like okay cool what's the office

798
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:35,820
going to be called what we're going to

799
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,799
do with this new office and um Susan

800
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:40,140
Goff basically said to me oh the new

801
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:41,580
office is

802
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,380
ay MSG it's like okay uh and so the new

803
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:48,899
office was the old office in a way

804
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:51,539
um so it was always a different entity

805
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,539
from the uaptf so uaptf never

806
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,200
transitioned to aoi MSG and hopefully

807
00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:00,000
that answers the question and then

808
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:01,200
what's happened with this new

809
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,200
legislation that's been passed now they

810
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:06,360
formally basically said that the office

811
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,919
is Arrow so so that's what's happened

812
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:12,720
but obviously you've got another person

813
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:14,039
coming in

814
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:17,220
of Kirkpatrick so you've got people kind

815
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:18,020
of like

816
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,799
speculation on my part by the way

817
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,240
perhaps people like saying oh we don't

818
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:23,520
know this guy you you know if it was

819
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:25,140
stress and taking over would be there in

820
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:26,279
a heartbeat but we don't know

821
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,899
Kirkpatrick we're feeling it out you

822
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,840
know so it may be a bit of that as well

823
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,399
yeah I suspect there's probably some

824
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:34,380
internal politics you know just like you

825
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:36,299
said because we have to also remember

826
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,580
that

827
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:40,500
aoimsg was created

828
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:43,559
I can speculate not as fully

829
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,840
um

830
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:47,760
gung-ho response by the Pentagon but

831
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,039
actually as an attempt to create a

832
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,860
watered-down version of what Gila brand

833
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,159
of Rubio at the time were proposing in

834
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:58,559
legislation and I think the Hope was

835
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,899
that if they jumped ahead and said oh

836
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,640
look it's okay we're already creating an

837
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:04,740
office that Rubio and gillibrand would

838
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:07,980
kind of back down and they didn't

839
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:10,460
um because they didn't think that AOL

840
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:14,399
aoimsg was going far enough and you know

841
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,500
because of Rubio and jellobrand and

842
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,480
others we now have Arrow which is

843
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,760
fantastic and so I suspect that there

844
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:22,980
was a little bit of push-pull

845
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,340
um in terms of personnel and who was in

846
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,440
whose Camp you know the Pentagon can be

847
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,080
uh quite political in that way and that

848
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:33,720
was definitely what I took from it as

849
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,299
well absolutely and it always they're

850
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,340
always calibrating navigating their way

851
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:40,559
through so you know a bit of navigating

852
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,059
they were doing this time was removing

853
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:44,100
it from ousdins

854
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:45,960
right which is a big move in terms of

855
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:49,260
who they're reporting to so uh yeah so

856
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,940
that was that was that that was a great

857
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,580
move there so um I mean yeah so maybe

858
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,080
there'll be more to come we'll have to

859
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:58,380
see yeah fantastic now just I mean this

860
00:33:02,810 --> 00:32:59,700
line here which I believe is George

861
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,820
Knapp saying it um which is just you

862
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:04,380
know I assume George and Jeremy have had

863
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:05,940
a lot more than just that one sit-down

864
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:09,000
conversation with Stratton at

865
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,860
um where was it was in Huntsville at the

866
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:13,140
SCU conference wasn't it but you know to

867
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,460
say that Stratton believes the public

868
00:33:18,009 --> 00:33:15,840
has a right to know what's going on

869
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:18,019
rather than the obfuscation stonewalling

870
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:20,279
misleading statements and strategic

871
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,740
leaks to debunkers all of which continue

872
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,419
to muddy the waters I mean this is what

873
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,000
we've been we've been asking for as a

874
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,399
community is for somebody to come out

875
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:31,919
who is you know not part of the Old

876
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:34,860
Guard the secret Keepers and I think you

877
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,640
know

878
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:37,740
it's easy to get excited and I'm trying

879
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:41,159
to not be like a too excited but you

880
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,539
know I'm thinking there may be good

881
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,519
things to come so Chris is is that

882
00:33:49,389 --> 00:33:46,080
something we should expect and do you

883
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:49,399
know what to what level we should be uh

884
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,740
you know I don't want to get too excited

885
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,179
like you know we know to kind of hold

886
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,220
back our expectations with these reports

887
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:58,080
do we need to hold back our expectations

888
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,940
a bit with regards to information that

889
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,159
come from people like Stratton

890
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,380
I think you can start to get a little

891
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,720
bit more excited now and not just the

892
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:08,879
construction I think you know things are

893
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,379
happening in Washington as well now

894
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:12,960
remember you know Kirkpatrick is no

895
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,500
longer reporting to ousdi and S

896
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:18,480
um so that's really really big thing so

897
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,080
there's nothing stopping him now from

898
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:24,720
having a bit more freedom to be honest

899
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:26,460
about this topic and more transparent

900
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,859
whereas it wasn't before so that that's

901
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:30,960
a really really big thing

902
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:33,780
um and in terms of yeah yeah Stratton

903
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,820
that yeah that's a really really big

904
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:38,879
deal and um I think as well like

905
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:40,919
so so one important important thing to

906
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:43,980
take into context is what he later says

907
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,980
in terms of um basically talking about

908
00:34:53,889 --> 00:34:49,440
the public affairs office of Pentagon in

909
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,510
and uh you can kind of like see this

910
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,980
kind of like I'm interpreting it is that

911
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,359
you can see this kind of like mini like

912
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,339
battle going on between

913
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,200
um Stratton and what they're doing

914
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,660
within the uaptf and the and the

915
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,220
background with a different stuff and

916
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:10,260
what's going on as well and what the

917
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:13,079
public affairs office is saying and you

918
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:14,220
know he was saying that Communications

919
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:16,260
is so key and it looked like he was

920
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:17,940
being undermined to a certain extent

921
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:19,619
from some of the statements coming out

922
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:21,240
of the public affairs office which I

923
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,099
found really quite interesting and you

924
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,200
can see as well that

925
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,079
um you know he mentions Lou as well

926
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:30,240
um and I think that's really important

927
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,280
because obviously the public affairs

928
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:35,160
officer said that he had that Lou had no

929
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:37,020
assigned responsibility surveyed it

930
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,820
which is heartbreaking I mean this guy

931
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:40,700
to do he

932
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,040
immense cost to him and his family he

933
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,900
did the right thing and he quit his job

934
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:48,359
you know he gave up his pension and and

935
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,480
people came after him and um now you've

936
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,160
got his previous employers at the

937
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,380
Pentagon basically saying oh no he

938
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,720
wasn't you know he wasn't director of um

939
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,119
atip it's kind of like trying to erase

940
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:02,640
what he did which is a really really

941
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,400
horrible thing and um they keep it up to

942
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,520
this day like saying that he had no

943
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,920
assigned responsibilities but okay so I

944
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,599
asked he's in golfer instance I said

945
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,160
what about unassigned responsibilities

946
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,760
because we know there you go we know

947
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,740
that Gary Reed wasn't very happy with

948
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:21,480
him being his supervisor that he had

949
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:23,579
been kept from this obviously it wasn't

950
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,240
ever assigned by a supervisor and I've

951
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,700
never got a public statement about that

952
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,500
let's say I've never got a public

953
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,660
statement about that answering that

954
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,970
well and that's what's completely

955
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,140
perpetuated this is a lot of people

956
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,940
aren't able to read between the lines

957
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,160
with statements like that a single word

958
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,619
assigned responsibilities we know for a

959
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,720
fact that his supervisor did not assign

960
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,520
these responsibilities and so the

961
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,260
Pentagon isn't lying

962
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:54,240
you know but they're they're saying what

963
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:56,339
is convenient to their their narrative

964
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,960
and so I'm so glad that you picked that

965
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,760
out and that we have you know

966
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:02,460
journalists like you that can can really

967
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,500
parse these words because unfortunately

968
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:07,200
with the level of obfuscation and

969
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,440
political agendas we have to do that and

970
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,140
that's not being paranoid or con or

971
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,079
conspiratorial or anything it's it's how

972
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,320
DC Works uh sometimes unfortunately and

973
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,260
so I just hats off to you for for

974
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,000
recognizing these things and for pushing

975
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:27,780
I hope uh Susan will someday respond to

976
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,540
that comment and if there's other

977
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:31,800
journalists listening I hope you'll ask

978
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,240
them too what about unassigned

979
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,000
responsibilities yeah exactly I I I

980
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,040
would say I have a good relationship

981
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:39,599
with suit

982
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,780
um you know you have to and yeah I

983
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,280
respect the fact that she's getting some

984
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:46,020
really good answers before she invited

985
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:47,880
me to the Pentagon briefing with

986
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,040
Kirkpatrick and I accept as well when

987
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,599
you're doing this you're getting sign up

988
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,640
from people above you saying it's okay

989
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:56,220
if we say this or what's messaging what

990
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:58,380
else can we say can you elaborate on

991
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:00,300
this so she's she's kind of like getting

992
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:02,520
it through some hurdles as well herself

993
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,880
so but I would say that I was

994
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,160
I was deeply disappointed that it took

995
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,920
so long for them to also

996
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:12,359
um confirm that Lou worked for space

997
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:14,220
force we've been asking for months and

998
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,900
other people had been asking for months

999
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:18,960
it took me I I literally had to make a

1000
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,040
complaint

1001
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:22,500
to get that information

1002
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,900
it just seems that a whole public

1003
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:26,640
affairs office has been weaponized

1004
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:28,859
against one person and that can't be

1005
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,500
allowed that's totally awful it's it's

1006
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:34,200
it should be investigated I feel

1007
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,700
it's retribution

1008
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,859
yeah it seems It's like there's a lot of

1009
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,180
changes going on not only with the

1010
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:41,760
Departments and the other you know a tip

1011
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:44,820
to uaptf to aim SOG to Arrow but you

1012
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:46,260
know um Jay mentioned here that he

1013
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:48,119
himself had come across you know

1014
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,720
religious pushback within us the ranks

1015
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:53,339
you know and that's something that you

1016
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,140
you think oh it probably happened a

1017
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,900
decade 20 30 40 years ago but to hear

1018
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,060
him say that he's still well not now but

1019
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:02,339
has encountered it in the not so distant

1020
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,640
past is is quite something you know so I

1021
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,380
found that quite surprising

1022
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,119
and in writing

1023
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,220
I mean I I would like someone to get on

1024
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:12,960
the for you for that one use the word

1025
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:15,180
demon I mean that's what it sounds like

1026
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,740
Jay said it said in writing so like

1027
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,720
let's let's find out who

1028
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,420
yeah wait wave off is an important term

1029
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:24,720
it's like I'm sorry wave off when when

1030
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:27,960
they said you should wave off this topic

1031
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:31,020
what the phrase wave up is very very

1032
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:32,520
important in terms of military-speaking

1033
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:42,130
[Music]

1034
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,230
you on that

1035
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:46,380
yeah you can look at if you look at the

1036
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:49,619
terminology for some you know of that

1037
00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:51,240
you can you can find it in there you'll

1038
00:40:00,650 --> 00:39:59,089
you know he's talking military term text

1039
00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:00,660
that's his language so sometimes what

1040
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,619
you have to do is you have to get

1041
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:03,359
context of how you're speaking the terms

1042
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,099
that he's using to understand the

1043
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:06,720
importance of it because he's speaking

1044
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:08,579
military lingo a lot of the time

1045
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,680
probably he doesn't even realize if he's

1046
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:12,780
talking in a normal conversation but

1047
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:15,240
yeah he's you can you can tell that you

1048
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:19,260
know he's been he's a deeply humble guy

1049
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,900
um very very respectful he's not trying

1050
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:24,119
to cause too many waves and enemies and

1051
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:25,800
stuff like that within the dod which is

1052
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:28,020
fantastic and he's going about it the

1053
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,540
right way in terms of what he's saying

1054
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,400
um and his measured statements in that

1055
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,160
interview and yeah hats often I I really

1056
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:37,440
respect him and what he's done and

1057
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:40,140
I'm hoping that this helps other people

1058
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,060
come forward as well

1059
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,680
yeah do you think this is why he didn't

1060
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,540
come out uh you know in a in a more

1061
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,880
mainstream way say a big article in one

1062
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:49,800
of the big newspapers you know the New

1063
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,240
York Times Washington Post or anything

1064
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:53,040
like that and you know he came out on

1065
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,220
any a UFO podcast and in a

1066
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,260
with a journalist that writes about UFOs

1067
00:41:02,089 --> 00:41:00,720
well some people may say well why is he

1068
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,099
doing that if he's really got something

1069
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:04,680
why doesn't he come out on 60 Minutes or

1070
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:07,020
something like that and you know is this

1071
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,400
going back to what you just said about

1072
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,680
he didn't want to make waves but and be

1073
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:13,260
like boom hey Pentagon DOD look at what

1074
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,020
I'm doing and you know is that

1075
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,260
possibly why it's about trust it's about

1076
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:21,660
trust and Reporting the story properly

1077
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,599
because this this story

1078
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,940
it's important that it gets seen by the

1079
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,380
right people I think that that's very

1080
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,240
very important

1081
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:33,180
um and I think at the moment I would I I

1082
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,980
would say that mainstream journalism and

1083
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:36,480
the big publication to have a lot more

1084
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,440
resources than you know a father and a

1085
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:43,260
husband with another full-time job like

1086
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,300
myself have a lot more resources and

1087
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,760
they're not asking the the right

1088
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:49,560
questions and I don't think they're

1089
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:51,960
going about it the right way

1090
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,920
um that

1091
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,900
like like I've said in a previous

1092
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,000
interview like when and I've studied

1093
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:59,040
this as well I did a destination of it

1094
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,780
like you know like if you're a

1095
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,820
journalist and you're embedded in Israel

1096
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:05,099
then you're reporting on the the

1097
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:07,260
conflict situation there if you're

1098
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,940
embedded in Israel all the sources that

1099
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,140
you're going to get access to are

1100
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:13,260
official Israeli sources and if you're

1101
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,060
not actively looking for the other side

1102
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:17,040
if you're not looking for the

1103
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,540
um the other sources within the

1104
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,339
Palestinian territories which is going

1105
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,599
to be very difficult to do because

1106
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,040
they'll have limited access to it you're

1107
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,920
just going to power what they say so I

1108
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,180
get the feeling that a lot of

1109
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:29,160
journalists are just parroting what the

1110
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:31,020
what the Pentagon says they're not

1111
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,579
really reading between the lines or

1112
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:34,740
anything like that I I think it's so

1113
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,540
important to do that and remember as

1114
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,700
well that you know George George Knapp

1115
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:40,380
is an incredible journalist so is Jeremy

1116
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,500
Corbell they can be trusted I mean

1117
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:45,720
and I think their track record really

1118
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:48,780
speaks speaks for itself

1119
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,660
um and you know when no other journalist

1120
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:53,880
wanted to touch this topic

1121
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,339
because of the stigma I never afraid to

1122
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,440
come out it was George and Jeremy had

1123
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,260
the guts to report on this topic when

1124
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,780
everyone else was kind of like

1125
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:07,200
it was kind of too scared to touch it so

1126
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:09,780
I think you know being when you're

1127
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:11,099
dealing with people from the Pentagon

1128
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,780
and military people or these people

1129
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:15,540
deeply respectful you know and they

1130
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:16,680
respect

1131
00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:23,160
values and ethics so I think you know

1132
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:25,560
that relationship and being trustworthy

1133
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,740
in terms of Jeremy and um and George

1134
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:30,540
that that's really paid up for them

1135
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,859
which is why they're getting all this

1136
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,300
exclusive

1137
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,560
um coverage you know they're not just

1138
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,880
going to

1139
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,060
um General van hurk from NORAD

1140
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,880
um who's kind of like saying oh UFOs

1141
00:43:47,329 --> 00:43:44,520
it's nothing you know it's

1142
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:47,339
they're not doing that and I think you

1143
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:48,839
know it's it's difficult in this

1144
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,420
environment to actually find someone

1145
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,220
trustworthy

1146
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:55,200
um these days especially amongst amongst

1147
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,220
journalists

1148
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,020
um you would expect better from the New

1149
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,520
York Times

1150
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,680
um in terms of the reporting on this

1151
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:02,940
topic

1152
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,160
um I mean hats off to Josh from The

1153
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:06,960
Daily Mail this is a fantastic job I

1154
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,540
think the the story that he did last

1155
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:11,160
year with the odn eye Source coming out

1156
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:13,319
that was one of my favorite stories and

1157
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:15,300
hats off to him so he's doing a good job

1158
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,400
but um yeah like it's very very

1159
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,720
difficult and I would also mention as

1160
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,180
well that Independent Media is

1161
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,300
is getting bigger now for a good reason

1162
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,920
I think and

1163
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:28,140
um I'm hopeful that you know Liberation

1164
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,920
times could be could be seen as one of

1165
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,960
that one of one of those kind of up and

1166
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:36,560
coming Independent Media Publications

1167
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:37,619
[Music]

1168
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:39,500
um which is kind of like

1169
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,839
not being reigned in by editors and

1170
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,880
other interests and stuff like that I

1171
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,980
just want to report it as best as I can

1172
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,800
you know so yeah that's how I go about

1173
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,000
it I'm not saying I'm the greatest

1174
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,220
journalist in the world I I just I'm

1175
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,319
just trying my best just to support it

1176
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,420
as best as I can and do justice to these

1177
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,480
people like Lou who's just like almost

1178
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,460
lost everything from this so it's

1179
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,920
passion no absolutely and it's

1180
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:06,839
appreciated I'm sure you can see that

1181
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:08,339
that you know people in the community

1182
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,460
are they love seeing your work I mean a

1183
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:12,960
new article comes out on that and you

1184
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:15,720
know and you know did we mentioned the J

1185
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,980
Stratton one which I think we've pretty

1186
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:18,240
much covered now Katie is there anything

1187
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,619
else you want to say about J Stratton

1188
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:21,240
before we move on

1189
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:24,660
I got all my points cool that's cool I

1190
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,099
think all we can do now is just wait and

1191
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:28,380
see what he he does next I believe he's

1192
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:29,579
obviously speaking you mentioned an

1193
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,819
alien Con in Pasadena in early March and

1194
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,560
so that's what one month away pretty

1195
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,480
much so yeah but there's not gonna be

1196
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,400
any recording of it too so that's a

1197
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,140
little disappointing I'm hoping I'm

1198
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,760
hoping that they we're going to see him

1199
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:43,680
at some more conferences this year

1200
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:45,660
hopefully some

1201
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:47,819
um more academic conferences perhaps

1202
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,579
maybe it'll show up at you know inquire

1203
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:53,460
non-reliance or SCU or some of the other

1204
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:54,359
um

1205
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,660
higher brow conferences let's call them

1206
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,579
um but it'd be great it'd be great to

1207
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,740
see him more in public where you know we

1208
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,140
can have a transcript and really parse

1209
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:06,119
out what he's saying

1210
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,560
yeah Chris have you got any insight into

1211
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:08,640
that you know you obviously you've

1212
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,020
spoken with George and Jeremy have they

1213
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:11,520
said anything to you that you're able to

1214
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,740
to tell us

1215
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,560
I think there's much more to come from

1216
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,240
um Jay strafton obviously there's a

1217
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:20,160
pre-recorded interview

1218
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,720
um so there'll be more elements of that

1219
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,800
to come

1220
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,440
um hopefully in upcoming episodes of um

1221
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:27,480
of weaponized

1222
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,579
um it was it was a very very big deal I

1223
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,140
mean when we go about these stories

1224
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,540
they're very very sensitive you know and

1225
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,640
I've got to make sure that before I

1226
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,260
watch the episode that George is okay

1227
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:38,940
with it because

1228
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,079
you know like he's trusted he he deeply

1229
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,359
like him and Jeremy and they deeply

1230
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,640
deeply care for their sources you know

1231
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,400
that yeah things are done correct and

1232
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,839
that they can be trusted because it's

1233
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,760
very very important to them and this

1234
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,800
brings us back to what we were saying

1235
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,720
before about why these people do come

1236
00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:00,119
forward through um people like Jeremy

1237
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:01,500
and George because they're trustworthy

1238
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,720
and they prove themselves to be that

1239
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,700
yeah so on that note you know let's talk

1240
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,220
about John Gutierrez who came forward to

1241
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:10,619
continue this ever-evolving story

1242
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:14,099
surrounding the 2019 drone swarms and I

1243
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:15,540
keep doing that when I say it because I

1244
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,880
don't know how else to to put it and I

1245
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,380
think it's important because people

1246
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,720
still are convinced that it's definitely

1247
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,760
drones even though there isn't enough

1248
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:25,440
data and information in the public

1249
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,920
domain to form a conclusion and people

1250
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,079
still think that Jeremy's saying it's

1251
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,359
aliens and what Jeremy did I think in

1252
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:36,480
this week's episode weaponized was very

1253
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,700
clearly make a statement saying I don't

1254
00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:40,980
know what it is and all of this and it

1255
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:42,660
was really really good that he did that

1256
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:44,579
but let's talk about John Gutierrez

1257
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,440
Chris what what can you tell us that um

1258
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:48,359
sort of came out that was a bit newer

1259
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:51,780
for this case or this series of cases

1260
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:55,859
yes obviously he he he's spoken to some

1261
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,520
of the the witnesses involved and he's

1262
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,040
spoken about you know for instance

1263
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,079
um on one of the ships you know he was

1264
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,520
saying that the crew were following it

1265
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,200
when it was going from different sides

1266
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,060
of the ship you know

1267
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,040
um just following this object I'd say

1268
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,560
and um all of a sudden it stuns him it's

1269
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,900
just like go straight up

1270
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:18,900
um into the sky and it's not making a

1271
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:20,579
noise throughout

1272
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,720
um so that that's really really

1273
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:23,520
important it didn't make a noise and

1274
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:25,079
that's important although you've got all

1275
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:27,300
the the noise when you're out at Sea and

1276
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:28,200
stuff

1277
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,300
um he would still usually hear something

1278
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,579
I mean these people would just being out

1279
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:34,319
on deployment and you know John's been

1280
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,400
up and completely as well they're very

1281
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,619
very they know what Chinese drones are

1282
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,180
they know what the capabilities are it's

1283
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,520
not like the first time that a drone's

1284
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:43,920
ever come up to them you know so that's

1285
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:46,680
really important for um for context

1286
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:48,420
there that he was providing he was just

1287
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,819
like basically backing up the witnesses

1288
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,859
and what Jeremy has said before

1289
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,200
basically that there's a lot more to

1290
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:56,640
this

1291
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,880
um so I I think that's kind of like what

1292
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:02,099
he was saying and I mean

1293
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:04,619
John's a patriot you know to you know

1294
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:06,420
he's a proud American Patriot and he

1295
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:07,560
cares about

1296
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:10,440
um safety and you know I think he felt

1297
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:12,119
an urge to speak out in this and it's

1298
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,859
very very important to say that he was

1299
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,119
speaking from his own personal

1300
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,920
perspective he was not speaking behalf

1301
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:17,760
of

1302
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,500
um the Navy or the dod it was basically

1303
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,079
him just you know giving his own kind of

1304
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,720
like take on it but he provided he

1305
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,819
provided lots lots of interesting

1306
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:28,380
details and I think one of the most

1307
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:29,880
interesting things that he spoke about

1308
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:31,380
was the USS

1309
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,540
um Kia Sarge if I'm pronouncing that

1310
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,339
correct so it's a huge ship basically

1311
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,319
and it's um it's I think it was like

1312
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:39,119
bigger than the former aircraft carriers

1313
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:40,740
that we used to have in terms of HMS

1314
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:42,359
Invincible

1315
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,420
um and it's kind of like a marine ship

1316
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:48,119
um I think they might hold Harrier Jets

1317
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,740
as well

1318
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:51,839
um they hold helicopters Marines it's a

1319
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,099
huge ship and

1320
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,480
um he was speaking about an incident

1321
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:56,940
whereby he knows someone who was on

1322
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,640
board that ship on the bridge and they

1323
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,859
spotted a UAP like a green a green

1324
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:03,300
object

1325
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:04,500
um in the sky and this was whilst

1326
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:06,060
they're out in deployment as well I

1327
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:07,619
think it may have been

1328
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,300
um the Arabian

1329
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:12,000
but by the by by Saudi Arabia or

1330
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:13,200
somewhere like that at the time I'm not

1331
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:15,060
sure if we got confirmation on that but

1332
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,880
um it was on deployment anyway and um

1333
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:19,920
this screen object just gets closer and

1334
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,619
all of a sudden a bright light is being

1335
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,540
done to the ship Illuminating all the

1336
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,599
whole of this large ship and it lasts

1337
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,700
for eight seconds the Supreme green bean

1338
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:32,579
does and this person this this lady is

1339
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,980
describing her to John basically how

1340
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,960
she's covered her eyes

1341
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:38,280
um with her hands and it's so bright she

1342
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,900
can't even see her hands that's how

1343
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,579
bright and Illuminating this light was

1344
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:44,280
and you're talking about a situation as

1345
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:45,540
well where

1346
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,819
um everyone's disorientated on the on

1347
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,440
the bridge and they're trying like whoa

1348
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,500
where am I and stuff like that hey

1349
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:54,359
big deal I mean we're talking about a

1350
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,859
Chinese balloon over the United States

1351
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,780
at the moment and journalists are

1352
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:59,040
obsessed about this but we're not

1353
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:01,020
talking about any of the unusual flight

1354
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,480
characteristics of UAP an instance like

1355
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,280
this I mean let's say Italian Chinese

1356
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,960
did have this technology they basically

1357
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:08,940
stunned the whole of the bridge of a

1358
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:11,339
major U.S warship during that eight

1359
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:12,839
seconds if it was China they could do

1360
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,300
anything they could take it down and I

1361
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,700
mean I just don't understand sorry I'm

1362
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:19,380
going on I'm really passionate about it

1363
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,380
love it I love it at the moment and oh

1364
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,160
there were like 167 blue light entities

1365
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,280
um put into the UAP report but that

1366
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:32,160
they're not focusing on the unusual

1367
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:33,780
flight characteristics and the other

1368
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,780
unusual characteristics of these UAP

1369
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,819
by all means frame it that China might

1370
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,859
have this technology great but that's by

1371
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,599
far the biggest thing and biggest

1372
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:44,520
Potential Threat if it is a foreign

1373
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:46,920
adversary and people are just paying no

1374
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,319
attention to it and it's um it's really

1375
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:51,420
paying into the hands of the dod because

1376
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:53,099
they want to answer these questions they

1377
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,900
want to take you down this direction you

1378
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,920
know

1379
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,599
um they don't want to talk about unusual

1380
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,040
flight characteristics they don't want

1381
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,960
to talk about transmedian aspects they

1382
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,220
don't want to talk about what's being

1383
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,500
seen in space or underwater they don't

1384
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:06,000
want to talk about any of that because

1385
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,460
they can't explain it

1386
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:10,619
um so that's really important but sorry

1387
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,359
I digress I digress that um yeah

1388
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,880
no I think it's all great and I love I

1389
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:19,500
mean I think we all feel very similar to

1390
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,819
you right

1391
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,160
um and one of the questions I have is do

1392
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,920
you think that these types of encounters

1393
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,540
are being discussed in the classified

1394
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:29,819
reports do you think these are being

1395
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:31,800
highlighted

1396
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:34,260
um two members of Congress to be aware

1397
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,880
of or do you think they're being kind of

1398
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,859
shoved into the rug entirely

1399
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:39,780
yeah yes I think they are being

1400
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,220
presented I mean remember what Jay

1401
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,960
Stratton says presentation is very very

1402
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,460
important when you're doing these things

1403
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,559
so it's going back the right way and I

1404
00:52:50,329 --> 00:52:48,420
think although I am very very passionate

1405
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,339
about the balloons and everyone's going

1406
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,640
on about this um this balloon in prosaic

1407
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:55,200
technology I mean Bloom State back from

1408
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,380
the 18th century however however saying

1409
00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:00,300
that is a very very good way of

1410
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:02,339
presenting the UAP issue and if we do go

1411
00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:04,980
down the route of the unusual flight

1412
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,740
characteristics of UAP from this it's a

1413
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,960
very very good way to get in there

1414
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,240
um so I feel that this could be a very

1415
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,160
very important aspect if we are going to

1416
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:15,839
focus on

1417
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:19,200
um our skies a lot more and that's in

1418
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:20,520
terms of my country as well as your

1419
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,020
country as well

1420
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,420
um Katie about our country Vinnie um I

1421
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,920
feel that you know you won't just see

1422
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,300
balloons that you'll have to explain

1423
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:28,980
because Congress will be on top of this

1424
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,540
now wanting to know everything that is

1425
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,240
in the skies of America and above the

1426
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,160
sensitive military

1427
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,260
um assets though what they want to know

1428
00:53:40,849 --> 00:53:39,300
if it's balloons know whatever it is so

1429
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:40,859
let's say if you do see something

1430
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,420
extraordinary technology they're going

1431
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,400
to catch that now and you know it's not

1432
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,079
just Congress that's going to be honored

1433
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:48,240
with this it's going to be the precedent

1434
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:50,099
as well because it's got all the way

1435
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:51,480
it's Biden now

1436
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:53,640
yeah and just going back to the 2019

1437
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:56,040
drone swarm case I think it's even more

1438
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,420
strange now that we've had John

1439
00:54:02,450 --> 00:53:59,700
Gutierrez come forward because he's

1440
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:02,460
pretty much helped in rule out the the

1441
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,220
best Straight part of the story uh you

1442
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,960
know the merchant ship it really does

1443
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:09,059
not look like that was uh anything to do

1444
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,500
with it you know part of some of the

1445
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:11,940
times when these drones will swore me it

1446
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,520
was it was moored up in in the docks or

1447
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,800
whatever and then the big thing was that

1448
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,240
these objects were spotted coming from

1449
00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:21,000
the west from the open ocean you know uh

1450
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,180
so this is still very much a mysterious

1451
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,920
case and for everyone that's saying well

1452
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,319
it's definitely drones they may be right

1453
00:54:32,329 --> 00:54:30,839
and I think this is important but we're

1454
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:32,339
not going to go there oh sorry I'll

1455
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:33,780
speak for myself I'm not going to go

1456
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,119
there without the data so I will

1457
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:38,400
continue to be their UAP because they're

1458
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:41,339
unidentified and I think I'm purposely

1459
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:43,619
making that point almost because I was

1460
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,660
inspired by Jeremy to say for anybody

1461
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:48,240
that thinks that we do what we do or I

1462
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,460
do what I do because I so badly want it

1463
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,200
to be aliens from outer space case or

1464
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:54,240
whatever it's nice because I want to see

1465
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:56,040
this right through to the end and then

1466
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:57,660
I'll then I'll then I'll go with the

1467
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,579
data you know absolutely

1468
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:01,380
on the logic train you want to take this

1469
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,480
down logic so

1470
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:06,000
I made a point from starting an article

1471
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,040
with a quote from one of the people who

1472
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,680
made the designation of unmanned aerial

1473
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,559
systems and that person admits that that

1474
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:15,180
was a mistake looking back on it that

1475
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:16,500
was a mistake because we hadn't

1476
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:19,500
positively identified it so that that's

1477
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:22,260
really really major I mean they're going

1478
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:24,300
like they're going on the basis that was

1479
00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:25,980
unmanned aero systems because these

1480
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,200
people making the nature decided to do

1481
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:30,960
so because they were too small to have a

1482
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,540
human on board so there but therefore it

1483
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:34,980
must be a drone

1484
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,780
um so that's what they're making the

1485
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,579
Assumption based on however these people

1486
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,440
that made the initial designations are

1487
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,720
now saying oh I'm not so sure I don't

1488
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:44,160
think it was it wasn't coming from the

1489
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,780
bat straight they just appeared to come

1490
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:47,700
from nowhere you know they're coming

1491
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:50,099
from the West no going East-West North

1492
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,660
and all these other questions all these

1493
00:55:55,329 --> 00:55:52,920
other bearings they would have gone back

1494
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,339
to one place if it came from a certainly

1495
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,140
bizarre activity involved

1496
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:00,839
um however when you ask the

1497
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:02,700
um Pentagon public affairs office they

1498
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:04,619
basically say the that

1499
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,380
um this was both an initial assessment

1500
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,359
and also they evaluated it as well and

1501
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:11,640
they still found it to be a mad aerial

1502
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:14,220
system so now I've gone back to my

1503
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,619
said to them and I've gone up I've sent

1504
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,200
multiple emails now saying do you still

1505
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:22,079
stick by you know your line that this

1506
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:24,119
was unmanned aerial systems and I've yet

1507
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:25,740
to receive response because their

1508
00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:29,220
messaging is now being undermined so uh

1509
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:30,660
yeah that'd be really interesting sorry

1510
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,520
I rudely interrupted you Katie but what

1511
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:35,280
I'd like to ask you

1512
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:36,540
um what what do you make of it because

1513
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:39,059
obviously now I mean look we don't know

1514
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,160
that they might have good evidence and

1515
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:43,140
it's unmanned hero system but by all

1516
00:56:47,089 --> 00:56:45,059
means everything I've heard from the

1517
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,099
people who have the insight into these

1518
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:49,440
events points to it not being unmanned

1519
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,300
aerial systems unless they've got a big

1520
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:54,000
rabbit to take out the hat I don't think

1521
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,559
they can really back up their claims

1522
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:57,900
that it was unmanned aerial systems so

1523
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,359
now you've got a situation where I think

1524
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:02,819
um Bray at the Congressional hearing

1525
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,700
basically says drones flash unmanned

1526
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,500
aerial systems

1527
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,900
so what does that mean that he said that

1528
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:11,520
in a hearing now and

1529
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,180
now that messaging has been undermined

1530
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,000
I mean I think that I I'm just going to

1531
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:20,460
reserve judgment you know it I would be

1532
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:22,920
I'm not an expert in drugs

1533
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,500
I'm not you know and I think that it

1534
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,839
would be perfectly fine to find out at

1535
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,460
the end of the day that DOD did have

1536
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,619
some Intel I didn't want to share that

1537
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:33,780
led them to that conclusion I'd be super

1538
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,059
happy I'd also be happy if I found out

1539
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:38,400
that you know that that's probably not

1540
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,260
accurate and they were exhibiting some

1541
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:42,599
like characteristics that you know just

1542
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:44,819
can't be explained that way you know I I

1543
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:46,800
kind of tend to agree with Vinnie and

1544
00:57:53,049 --> 00:57:50,819
and Jeremy that you know my I came into

1545
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:53,059
this as a national security professional

1546
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:56,819
concerned with whatever it is I'm

1547
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:58,740
worried I'm worried if it's China I'm

1548
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,540
worried if it's Russia I'm worried if

1549
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:03,180
it's ours and we're wasting billions of

1550
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:06,119
dollars on outdated Tech I'm worried if

1551
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:06,960
it's

1552
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:11,040
something else and so to me honestly I

1553
00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:13,079
don't care what it is I just want to

1554
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:15,900
know and I think that that all of our

1555
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,900
defense officials and all both of our

1556
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,640
countries need to look at it that way

1557
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,920
you know I I get that there's stigma but

1558
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,420
the bottom line is we have to secure our

1559
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:26,280
airspace we have to secure our seas we

1560
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:28,380
have to know what we're up against so

1561
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,359
that we can properly prepare and respond

1562
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:32,160
and

1563
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,680
um asking those questions is the only

1564
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:36,000
way you do that and you can't take

1565
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,280
anything off the table

1566
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:41,520
absolutely absolutely well said

1567
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:44,400
yeah well I think that's kind of covered

1568
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:46,859
the latest on that Chris before you uh

1569
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:48,359
go is it anything that you're able to

1570
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,099
talk about that you are working on any

1571
00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:53,520
any little inside peaks of anything new

1572
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:01,549
yeah I mean um I'm just currently in a

1573
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,680
tussle with um Susan Goff on the over

1574
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,599
mosul

1575
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:08,700
um her current line is look I'm not

1576
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:10,619
going to comment on anything contained

1577
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:11,579
within

1578
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,260
um class by briefings which is fine that

1579
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:15,599
is a great line to do to to give and

1580
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:17,640
perfectly understandable my problem is

1581
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,140
there's a lack of consistency because

1582
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,660
they previously have commented and

1583
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:23,520
confirmed materials have been classified

1584
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:25,559
material and three things which are the

1585
00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:27,540
other videos so I just asked a question

1586
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:30,900
saying look I get that and perfectly

1587
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,480
respected security purposes but can you

1588
00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:35,040
explain to me why is it like a

1589
00:59:39,309 --> 00:59:36,680
consistency what is your approach

1590
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:39,319
commenting on these

1591
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:41,400
zilch they don't want to answer that so

1592
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:44,700
I find that really really frustrating

1593
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:48,299
um so I mean we're currently just trying

1594
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:51,180
we've got yeah we've got good reasons

1595
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:53,160
you know to believe that there are lots

1596
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,839
of people that can confirm it and I have

1597
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,819
had it confirmed to me that through

1598
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,200
various other sources that it was

1599
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,420
something contained within

1600
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:02,640
um you know a class like briefing that

1601
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:05,460
is it is legitimate so

1602
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:06,900
um I think we're very confident that it

1603
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,520
is but it's just frustrating that

1604
01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:10,319
there's a lack of transparency from the

1605
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,599
Pentagon and actually saying that and

1606
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:15,119
Goff is saying that there's going to be

1607
01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:17,160
more materials which are going to be

1608
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:20,819
released relating to aptf so UAP when

1609
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:24,420
they can confirm it and release it but I

1610
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,339
mean what we're getting so far it's it's

1611
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:28,200
not good but I think some of the

1612
01:00:31,069 --> 01:00:29,520
progress that's being made in Washington

1613
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,079
right now

1614
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:33,720
um is very very good and I'm hoping that

1615
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,880
this this does change it and that we're

1616
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:37,980
going to see some contradictions

1617
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,339
um coming up as a record is corrected

1618
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:43,680
but my big question right now as I'm

1619
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,180
going back sorry going back to this

1620
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:47,280
balloon thing that you know we've got

1621
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:50,220
incursions going on every day like

1622
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,900
Gutierrez said these things are being

1623
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,760
seen every day and they're a safety

1624
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,859
hazard for flight and Graves has said

1625
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,359
that we saw them like every day as well

1626
01:01:02,270 --> 01:00:59,760
on the East Coast why is nothing being

1627
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:02,280
done about it like

1628
01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:04,260
why why are journalists not taking an

1629
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interest in that saying why is nothing

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being done about this could be Chinese

1631
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we don't know but

1632
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it's just it's just incredibly

1633
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frustrating that you're just seeing a

1634
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,520
lack of transparency on this and I like

1635
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:16,319
to I like to be this topic that you've

1636
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:18,299
got one side and I think it is very true

1637
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:21,299
as said by the Odeon at OD and I Source

1638
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:22,079
they don't want to comment on this

1639
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:24,299
because they can't explain it they can't

1640
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:25,619
explain it so they don't want to comment

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01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:26,700
on it because they don't want to turn

1642
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,740
around to the US public because we have

1643
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:30,240
no idea

1644
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,740
um but then you've apparently got this

1645
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,119
other side within the special access

1646
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:35,040
programs and stuff like that know

1647
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,099
perfectly well allegedly what this stuff

1648
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:42,000
is so um yeah if I'm if I'm if I'm a

1649
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,500
congressman at the moment in America I'm

1650
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:45,440
probably just as frustrated

1651
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,540
but yeah it's a matter of protecting our

1652
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:50,880
military members and every Congressman

1653
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,359
or congresswoman should be aware of that

1654
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,520
and pushing for that

1655
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,799
absolutely well said

1656
01:02:03,049 --> 01:02:01,440
yeah wow wonderful Chris thank you so

1657
01:02:04,569 --> 01:02:03,059
much Katie I'm going to hand it over to

1658
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,579
you to do the outro

1659
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:07,380
well thanks for being here Chris

1660
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:08,040
um

1661
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,680
welcome to disclosure team as an

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01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:13,859
official team with me and Vinnie thanks

1663
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:15,420
for being here everyone

1664
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:17,940
um really appreciate it I was fun to sit

1665
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:19,740
in the seat with you guys and Chris

1666
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:21,420
thank you so much it's always wonderful

1667
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,460
to talk with you and

1668
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,440
um appreciate your thoughtful approach

1669
01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:27,900
to this issue and

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01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:30,599
um your friendship and uh can't wait to

1671
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,460
see what you come up with next

1672
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,619
oh thank you so much for having me both

1673
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:36,960
it was it was a true it was just

1674
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:38,819
brilliant I loved it what a great

1675
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:40,980
experience the Insight provided by ukt

1676
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,020
and the thoughtful questions provided by

1677
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:46,020
UV e and it's just yeah I think um it's

1678
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:47,280
gonna be great I can't wait to be on

1679
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:49,500
again hopefully uh yeah it won't be too

1680
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,559
long anytime my friend anytime all right